Comments on: Spalding and Phonics http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/2006/01/16/spalding-and-phonics/ Christian Homeschooling in a Classical Style Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:15:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Peggy Broadbent http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/2006/01/16/spalding-and-phonics/comment-page-1/#comment-332981 Peggy Broadbent Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:00:59 +0000 http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/?p=48#comment-332981 All beginning readers do not need phonics to learn to read! So many advocates require phonics to teach reading - which is for some children but not at all for others. I’m retired now but taught beginning reading for many years. I used various approaches to beginning reading because all children are different. Some need phonics and others, not at all, and learned to read very easily without phonics. See my blog about a variety of readers and how they learned to read: http://peggybroadbent.com/blog/index.php?s=A+Variety+of+Readers+Learning+to+Read+With+or+Without+Phonics++++ All beginning readers do not need phonics to learn to read! So many advocates require phonics to teach reading – which is for some children but not at all for others. I’m retired now but taught beginning reading for many years. I used various approaches to beginning reading because all children are different. Some need phonics and others, not at all, and learned to read very easily without phonics. See my blog about a variety of readers and how they learned to read:

http://peggybroadbent.com/blog/index.php?s=A+Variety+of+Readers+Learning+to+Read+With+or+Without+Phonics++++

]]> By: Christie P http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/2006/01/16/spalding-and-phonics/comment-page-1/#comment-267280 Christie P Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:19:59 +0000 http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/?p=48#comment-267280 Interestingly, nobody on this thread has mentioned Dettmer's Phonics for Reading and Spelling. I am homeschooling my eldest (5.5 yrs) and we've been using Dettmer's since last August. It was intimidating at first, but I had a friend using it too and so I plunged into drilling the single-letter phonograms and we finished the multi-letter phonograms by Christmas. I've just been reading the manual a bit ahead of where we are. I should mention that we've also been using Susan Wise Bauer's Ordinary Parent's Guide to Teaching Reading for about a year and a half. We just started long-vowel sound words in that this January. So I did not delay the reading as Ms. Dettmer suggested, but am attacking the reading / phonics / spelling on two fronts using both systems simultaneously. I am impressed by my daughter's retention of the phonograms (she loves rattling off the entire description of the /sh/ sound) I'm finding that I haven't emphasized writing the phonograms enough as I did in just orally drilling them, but we're now writing 7 phonograms a day, so I'm sure they'll be fresh again. When I introduced "We say 'wuz' but spell is as w-ah-z" she had no problem with it at all and still uses that to remember how to spell it with no prompting from me. I really like Ms. Dettmer's program. I love her flowchart that we follow, the reference charts (we just paused in our spelling words to do the first 3 reference charts) and the idea of building a spelling book. Unfortunately, I have scoured the internet looking for reviews of her system that compare and contrast it with other systems, and I have not found any. I am not familiar with TATRAS or Writing Road to Reading so I cannot compare. It's not very user friendly, but with a friend familiar with it, and just reading and soaking it in as much as possible before starting, I was able to figure it out. I would love to talk to any others who have used Dettmer's program either unsuccessfully or successfully, especially if they can compare it to other vertical phonics programs. Thanks Christie P Interestingly, nobody on this thread has mentioned Dettmer’s Phonics for Reading and Spelling. I am homeschooling my eldest (5.5 yrs) and we’ve been using Dettmer’s since last August. It was intimidating at first, but I had a friend using it too and so I plunged into drilling the single-letter phonograms and we finished the multi-letter phonograms by Christmas. I’ve just been reading the manual a bit ahead of where we are.

I should mention that we’ve also been using Susan Wise Bauer’s Ordinary Parent’s Guide to Teaching Reading for about a year and a half. We just started long-vowel sound words in that this January. So I did not delay the reading as Ms. Dettmer suggested, but am attacking the reading / phonics / spelling on two fronts using both systems simultaneously.

I am impressed by my daughter’s retention of the phonograms (she loves rattling off the entire description of the /sh/ sound) I’m finding that I haven’t emphasized writing the phonograms enough as I did in just orally drilling them, but we’re now writing 7 phonograms a day, so I’m sure they’ll be fresh again. When I introduced “We say ‘wuz’ but spell is as w-ah-z” she had no problem with it at all and still uses that to remember how to spell it with no prompting from me.

I really like Ms. Dettmer’s program. I love her flowchart that we follow, the reference charts (we just paused in our spelling words to do the first 3 reference charts) and the idea of building a spelling book.

Unfortunately, I have scoured the internet looking for reviews of her system that compare and contrast it with other systems, and I have not found any. I am not familiar with TATRAS or Writing Road to Reading so I cannot compare. It’s not very user friendly, but with a friend familiar with it, and just reading and soaking it in as much as possible before starting, I was able to figure it out.

I would love to talk to any others who have used Dettmer’s program either unsuccessfully or successfully, especially if they can compare it to other vertical phonics programs.

Thanks
Christie P

]]> By: The Lionsgate School » Blog Archive » Teaching Children to Read is Awe Inspiring http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/2006/01/16/spalding-and-phonics/comment-page-1/#comment-117968 The Lionsgate School » Blog Archive » Teaching Children to Read is Awe Inspiring Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:26:09 +0000 http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/?p=48#comment-117968 [...] scope of reading material that is within reach more quickly. I learned about this program from the Bluedorns (whose opinion I greatly respect on such matters) and they now sell it on their [...] [...] scope of reading material that is within reach more quickly. I learned about this program from the Bluedorns (whose opinion I greatly respect on such matters) and they now sell it on their [...]

]]> By: Tim & Brenda Wilson http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/2006/01/16/spalding-and-phonics/comment-page-1/#comment-82521 Tim & Brenda Wilson Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:52:58 +0000 http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/?p=48#comment-82521 I have an 8 year old boy that is having trouble reading. My wife Brenda and I have read to him for years and worked with him daily. He doesn't seem to like reading. He enjoys when we read to him. He is in 2nd grade. He understands what he reads, but reads very slowly and has trouble sounding out words. What program should I start with, I don't care what it costs. Thank you. Tim Wilson I have an 8 year old boy that is having trouble reading. My wife Brenda and I have read to him for years and worked with him daily. He doesn’t seem to like reading. He enjoys when we read to him. He is in 2nd grade. He understands what he reads, but reads very slowly and has trouble sounding out words. What program should I start with, I don’t care what it costs. Thank you. Tim Wilson

]]> By: Darlene Fletcher http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/2006/01/16/spalding-and-phonics/comment-page-1/#comment-978 Darlene Fletcher Wed, 31 May 2006 13:18:23 +0000 http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/?p=48#comment-978 I'm trying to get in contact with Gail Busby. In this response section, she said she would be wiling to share schedules for teaching the Spalding. I am hoping that there is something with kindergarten included. Many seem to be ignoring kindergarten; our district has very high expectations for our kindergarteners. Thanks, Darlene Fletcher ---------------- Gail's email is lgbusby@sbcglobal.net I’m trying to get in contact with Gail Busby. In this response section, she said she would be wiling to share schedules for teaching the Spalding. I am hoping that there is something with kindergarten included. Many seem to be ignoring kindergarten; our district has very high expectations for our kindergarteners.
Thanks,
Darlene Fletcher

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Gail’s email is lgbusby@sbcglobal.net

]]> By: Don Potter http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/2006/01/16/spalding-and-phonics/comment-page-1/#comment-377 Don Potter Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:17:38 +0000 http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/?p=48#comment-377 I have taught Spalding's WRTR and Frank Roger's TATRAS. The TATRAS program uses practically the same phonograms, but instead of the Ayres List, Mr. Rogers developed his own list of 838 words that are the most used words in adult English. I have taught TATRAS to kindergartners with great success and highly recommend the program. I have also successfully taught it to 2nd grade bilingual students. Don Potter, Odessa, TX. I have taught Spalding’s WRTR and Frank Roger’s TATRAS. The TATRAS program uses practically the same phonograms, but instead of the Ayres List, Mr. Rogers developed his own list of 838 words that are the most used words in adult English. I have taught TATRAS to kindergartners with great success and highly recommend the program. I have also successfully taught it to 2nd grade bilingual students.
Don Potter, Odessa, TX.

]]> By: Diane http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/2006/01/16/spalding-and-phonics/comment-page-1/#comment-31 Diane Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:09:13 +0000 http://www.triviumpursuit.com/blog/?p=48#comment-31 I have been reading an old manual of Writing Road to Reading and I am finding it very hard to know when to introduce a new concept. I have been looking at different websites trying to find help and came across yours. I am trying to find this book Reading Works but cannot seem to find it available anywhere. Could you possibly help me here? I also read one of your comments from Gail Busby; she comments that there is a schedule for teaching Spalding available. Do you how someone might get a hold of this schedule? Diane -------------------- Diane, You can email Gail Busby at lgbusby@sbcglobal.net. The Reading Works website is www.grammarworks.com. Laurie I have been reading an old manual of Writing Road to Reading and I am finding it very hard to know when to introduce a new concept. I have been looking at different websites trying to find help and came across yours. I am trying to find this book Reading Works but cannot seem to find it available anywhere. Could you possibly help me here? I also read one of your comments from Gail Busby; she comments that there is a schedule for teaching Spalding available. Do you how someone might get a hold of this schedule?
Diane
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Diane,

You can email Gail Busby at lgbusby@sbcglobal.net.

The Reading Works website is http://www.grammarworks.com.

Laurie

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